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Author:  Chrysagon [ Thu May 21, 2015 7:31 pm ]
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Detective Thorn wrote:
I have a hard time believing Heston wouldn't be a co-star to John Wayne, despite coming off Ben-Hur. Heston and Stewart as John Elder could have worked better than Wayne age-wise, Wayne looked too old to be the brother of some of that family. That there were plans to make a sequel to True Grit without Wayne boggles the mind, why would they? He made that role iconic and anyone else playing it shortly after Wayne wouldn't be wise.

Very funny about Fonda telling Heston not to work with Ford, Heston looked up to Fonda so I guess that could be true. Still, passing up the chance to work with such a legend and that the legend requested it is quite an honor! Maybe Heston was still turned off by having worked with another bully director - Sam Peckinpah and didn't think it was worth it, who knows.

Ever since I first watched The Sons of Katie Elder as a kid, I wondered why Wayne's John Elder was so much older than the other brothers. It was almost as if the filmmakers should have made him an uncle, not a brother. But, Wayne was usually first pick for these kinds of films back then so that's the way it was.

If Heston did co-star with Wayne in that western, there may have been no El Cid. Maybe Heston was already planning to star in El Cid and this prevented him from taking the role in The Comancheros. The book doesn't mention El Cid; that's just my own speculation.

As for the True Grit sequel, Rooster Cogburn, Wayne was first choice there also, of course. There is no reason given for this: the staff of Hal Wallis, the producer, put together a list of people who could conceivably play Rooster. These were Eastwood, Paul Newman, Gene Hackman, George C. Scott, McQueen, Brando, Anthony Quinn, Lancaster, Richard Burton, Bronson, Lee Marvin, Peck, Kirk Douglas, Heston, Robert Mitchum and Rock Hudson. This was a catch-all list of all leading men of that period who were also old enough for the role. Again, why the list..? Unknown. Maybe they feared that Wayne would get sick or become ornery and refuse the role. But, he was first choice and played it.
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I'm not sure about Heston's feeling about John Ford. It's all a bit moot, I think, because by the time that Ford was sending those messages to Heston, he was already pretty sick and I think he died only a few months later.

Author:  Chrysagon [ Thu Jun 18, 2015 7:02 am ]
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Chrysagon wrote:
Here's some more offbeat trivia, gleaned from the on-going TCM marathon: some of the choices for the marathon might be looked upon as odd; yesterday, I watched about half of a silly comedy-drama starring George Gobel & Diana Dors, called I Married a Woman (1959). The film is in black & white, except for an early scene in a movie theater - there, the couple watch a movie which is showing in color; the actors on the screen are... John Wayne & Angie Dickinson! (probably done during their stint on Rio Bravo) It's a simple scene of the two talking at the end of some romantic drama. Weird. Wayne might have appeared a 2nd time later in the film but I didn't watch the 2nd half. This is what's known as an unbilled cameo.
I finally watched the last 15 minutes of I Married a Woman because TCM just ran it again. John Wayne does indeed show up for a minute again at the very end in a strange & amusing scene, on a cruise ship with his supposedly real wife; they argue briefly about how he spends too much time making films. Again, the film is in black&white, but Wayne's figure is in color, then also switches to black&white. Like I said, strange.

I also learned something from host Robert Osborne: this strange comedy was made in 1956 and wasn't released until 1959. So, it was not made during John Wayne's and Angie Dickinson's stint on Rio Bravo, but a couple of years before. In fact, Angie was very young here and it was one of her first roles. It was only coincidence that she ended up starring with Wayne in Rio Bravo years later, unless someone remembered her scene with Wayne in this comedy and thought she would make a good fit for him in Rio Bravo.
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Author:  thegoldenage3060 [ Sun Oct 25, 2015 10:01 am ]
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Maureen O'hara passed away...perhaps the only actress who could really compete with John Wayne http://www.latimes.com/local/obituaries ... story.html

Author:  Detective Thorn [ Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:31 pm ]
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Yeah, a true legend passed.

R.I.P.

Author:  James Byrne [ Thu Jan 21, 2016 3:33 pm ]
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My 10 favourite Wayne movies:

STAGECOACH
THE SEARCHERS
RED RIVER
THE QUIET MAN
HONDO
McLINTOCK!
SANDS OF IWO JIMA
THE SHOOTIST
RIO BRAVO
THE MAN WHO SHOT LIBERTY VALANCE

Author:  Detective Thorn [ Sat Jan 23, 2016 9:16 pm ]
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James Byrne wrote:
My 10 favourite Wayne movies:

STAGECOACH
THE SEARCHERS
RED RIVER
THE QUIET MAN
HONDO
McLINTOCK!
SANDS OF IWO JIMA
THE SHOOTIST
RIO BRAVO
THE MAN WHO SHOT LIBERTY VALANCE

Not a big fan of his war movies, are you, James?

I like your list, thrilled to see Hondo in it, a truly underrated Duke classic. I'd add True Grit to it, though.

Author:  James Byrne [ Mon Jan 25, 2016 2:16 pm ]
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I like TRUE GRIT, Thorn, but not as much as the ten listed. I saw most of Wayne's war movies on the tv in the 60's/70's and to be honest with you I was sick of seeing wars after watching the nightly news broadcasts of the Vietnam war. SANDS OF IWO JIMA is the only Wayne war movie that I really rate. THE GREEN BERETS and BACK TO BATAAN are terrible, in my opinion.

Author:  Mark [ Thu Jan 28, 2016 9:57 am ]
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I know neither film is a classic but I have a soft spot for the two detective films he made towards the end of his career. McQ & Brannigan. The former probably the better film but I find Brannigan more entertaining with Wayne & Richard Attenborough good together.
The often told tale that he made the films after regretting turning down Dirty Harry is probably true but I can not imagine him in that role given his insistence on playing heroic types who may have flaws but are essentially decent. I can however imagine Frank Sinatra in the role and I believe he was first choice. Although that's going way off topic!

Author:  James Byrne [ Thu Jan 28, 2016 1:07 pm ]
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BRANNIGAN is enjoyable, but Duke was showing his age in this.

I like some of the bit part players in this movie, particularly Brian Glover. He was a "bad guy" wrestler in the 1960's/70's and I saw him wrestle at the Market Hall and Drill Hall, Lincoln, hundreds of times. He called himself Leon Arras in the grunt 'n groan business and was a real character. He may be more familiar to you if you've seen AN AMERICAN WEREWOLF IN LONDON - he is in a pub discussing John Wayne in THE ALAMO.

Two other bit part actors from the film are known to me, my old facebook pal Harry Fielder (known as Aitch) and Michael Munn, who later wrote biographies of John Wayne and Charlton Heston.

One of British boxing's great characters also has a fight with Wayne in BRANNIGAN. Nosher Powell was once a sparring partner of Joe Louis, Muhammad Ali and Sugar Ray Robinson, but in his autobiography he swore blind that a stuntman was killed in front of him during the chariot race in BEN-HUR. Nosher was a stuntman in this sequence. This, of course, is nonsense.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituar ... owell.html

Author:  Mark [ Thu Jan 28, 2016 4:09 pm ]
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James Byrne wrote:
BRANNIGAN is enjoyable, but Duke was showing his age in this.

I like some of the bit part players in this movie, particularly Brian Glover. He was a "bad guy" wrestler in the 1960's/70's and I saw him wrestle at the Market Hall and Drill Hall, Lincoln, hundreds of times. He called himself Leon Arras in the grunt 'n groan business and was a real character. He may be more familiar to you if you've seen AN AMERICAN WEREWOLF IN LONDON - he is in a pub discussing John Wayne in THE ALAMO.

Two other bit part actors from the film are known to me, my old facebook pal Harry Fielder (known as Aitch) and Michael Munn, who later wrote biographies of John Wayne and Charlton Heston.

One of British boxing's great characters also has a fight with Wayne in BRANNIGAN. Nosher Powell was once a sparring partner of Joe Louis, Muhammad Ali and Sugar Ray Robinson, but in his autobiography he swore blind that a stuntman was killed in front of him during the chariot race in BEN-HUR. Nosher was a stuntman in this sequence. This, of course, is nonsense.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituar ... owell.html

Thanks for this great info. I know Brian Glover from his acting but did not know he was a wrestler. Wasn't familiar with Nosher !

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