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 Post subject: Re: The Savage
PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 10:00 am 
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I have not yet watched this movie, but from the plot that I know, it makes me feel that THE SAVAGE is in many ways anticipating Chuck's later and more famous roles. An 'alien' brought up among people who are not his own... tension between individual choice and identity and the demand of the community... a man taking the responsibility of peacemaking between conflicting groups of people... the sacrificial tone of the hero's journey and development... Don't you find in all these the foreshadowing of what we see in the epics of Chuck?

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 Post subject: Re: The Savage
PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 3:28 pm 
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It's funny you should say that Judah. On 13 October 1962 I saw THE SAVAGE at the Regal cinema in Lincoln. This was only the second Heston movie I had seen at the cinema - the first being BEN-HUR exactly a year before - and I thought Heston's performance as Warbonnet had an epic quality about it. Heston played a Noble Savage and as I look back upon it now his portrayal was a precursor to his performances in EL CID, THE WAR LORD and even MAJOR DUNDEE.


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 Post subject: Re: The Savage
PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 7:05 pm 
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Judah wrote:
...from the plot that I know, it makes me feel that THE SAVAGE is in many ways anticipating Chuck's later and more famous roles. An 'alien' brought up among people who are not his own... tension between individual choice and identity and the demand of the community... a man taking the responsibility of peacemaking between conflicting groups of people... the sacrificial tone of the hero's journey and development... Don't you find in all these the foreshadowing of what we see in the epics of Chuck?

Surely... quite a bit of parallels obviously to his Moses in The TEN COMMANDMENTS (raised by one peoples, sprang from other peoples); also to some extent his Ben-Hur (divided loyalties, though he quickly turns against the Romans, represented by Messala, he has a complex arrangement with his foster father Quintus, very similar to a father figure in The Savage).

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It's funny you should say that Judah. On 13 October 1962 I saw THE SAVAGE at the Regal cinema in Lincoln. This was only the second Heston movie I had seen at the cinema - the first being BEN-HUR exactly a year before - and I thought Heston's performance as Warbonnet had an epic quality about it. Heston played a Noble Savage and as I look back upon it now his portrayal was a precursor to his performances in EL CID, THE WAR LORD and even MAJOR DUNDEE.

Maybe even Will Penny; if, as suggested, Warbonnet went on to live in the white man's world, he might have ended up like Will Penny 20 years later. But, that's not an observation of similar epic qualities, just a supposition of a character's future trajectory.

Also, his Warbonnet is in stark contrast to his character in another western, Arrowhead, in which he despised Indians.

One other thing I noticed yesterday in regard to similar characters like Warbonnet played by other actors: Heston's white man name in The Savage is Jim; Paul Newman's in Hombre was John; Dustin Hoffman's in Little Big Man was Jack. A pattern it seems... :-? (the letter "J")

And oh yes - one final thing: Heston narrates a fairly long portion of the film's beginning (he himself is not in the earliest scenes because it begins with him as a boy), so this may be where it all started for Heston's 'secondary' career as narrator; he already had 'that voice' and was a natural for it.


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 Post subject: Re: The Savage
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James Byrne wrote:
It's funny you should say that Judah. On 13 October 1962 I saw THE SAVAGE at the Regal cinema in Lincoln. This was only the second Heston movie I had seen at the cinema - the first being BEN-HUR exactly a year before - and I thought Heston's performance as Warbonnet had an epic quality about it. Heston played a Noble Savage and as I look back upon it now his portrayal was a precursor to his performances in EL CID, THE WAR LORD and even MAJOR DUNDEE.



Why "funny"? You mean the same thought coming to both you, one having watched it as the second Heston movie, and the other not having watched it yet?

And why should it be the second only, didn't you watch the Secret of the Incas when you were even younger? :harrysteele:

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 Post subject: Re: The Savage
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Hi Tizzyd
The reason why I thought what Judah said was 'funny' (I didn't mean it in the LOL sense) is I happened to agree with the last line of his post-
"I have not yet watched this movie, but from the plot that I know, it makes me feel that THE SAVAGE is in many ways anticipating Chuck's later and more famous roles. An 'alien' brought up among people who are not his own... tension between individual choice and identity and the demand of the community... a man taking the responsibility of peacemaking between conflicting groups of people... the sacrificial tone of the hero's journey and development... Don't you find in all these the foreshadowing of what we see in the epics of Chuck?"

THE SAVAGE was the second Heston movie I saw at a cinema, I saw SECRET OF THE INCAS seven months after seeing THE SAVAGE at the Regal cinema in Lincoln. I was made a list on the SOTI page of the dates I saw Heston at a cinema, unfortunately I stopped the list after a decade. Here are the Heston movies I saw at a cinema, 1961-1971.

1961
Thur 26 Oct - BEN-HUR at the ABC cinema, Lincoln, England
1962
Sat 13 Oct - THE SAVAGE at The Regal cinema, Lincoln, England
Sat 27 Oct - THE PIGEON THAT TOOK ROME at the ABC cinema
Sat 22 Dec - THE FAR HORIZONS at the The Regal cinema
1963
Sat 23 Mar - EL CID at the Odeon cinema, Lincoln, England
Thur 9 May - SECRET OF THE INCAS at the Regal cinema
Fri 4 Oct - DIAMOND HEAD at the Odeon cinema
1964
Sun 19 Jan - BEN-HUR at the ABC cinema
1965
Sat 9 Jan - 55 DAYS AT PEKING at the Odeon cinema
Fri 30 Jul - MAJOR DUNDEE at the Odeon cinema
Thur /Aug - THE AGONY AND THE ECSTASY at Ballsbridge, Dublin, Eire
Thur 16 Dec - RUBY GENTRY at the Regal cinema
1966
Sun 9 Jan - LUCY GALLANT
Sun 16 Jan - THE SAVAGE
Sat 19 Feb - PONY EXPRESS
Fri 25 Feb - THE WAR LORD at the Odeon cinema
Sat 9 Apr - SECRET OF THE INCAS
Mon 20 Jun - THE GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD at the Odeon cinema
Sun 21 Aug - THE BUCCANEER
Mon 22 Aug - THE TEN COMMANDMENTS at the Astoria cinema, Charing Cross Road, London
1967
Tue 28 Feb - THE BIG COUNTRY
Tue 14 Mar - THE TEN COMMANDMENTS at the ABC cinema
Fri 17 Mar - THE TEN COMMANDMENTS at the ABC cinema
Sun 23 Apr - KHARTOUM at the Odeon cinema
Tue 25 Apr - THE PRIVATE WAR OF MAJOR BENSON
Sat 24 Jun - THE FAR HORIZONS
Mon 31 Jul - THE AGONY AND THE ECSTASY at the Odeon
Sat 16 Sep - THREE VIOLENT PEOPLE
Sat 25 Nov - TOUCH OF EVIL
1968
Tue 27 Feb - WILL PENNY at the ABC cinema
Wed 28 Feb - WILL PENNY at the ABC cinema
Sat 13 Apr - THE NAKED JUNGLE
Mon 24 Jun - PLANET OF THE APES at the Odeon cinema
Sun 14 Jul - COUNTERPOINT at the ABC cinema
1970
Wed 5 Aug - BEN-HUR at the ABC cinema
Sun 23 Aug - THE BIG COUNTRY
1971
Sat 2 Jan - THE GREATEST SHOW ON EARTH
Mon 25 Jan - BEN-HUR at the ABC cinema
Tue 26 Jan - MASTER OF THE ISLANDS at the ABC cinema
Fri 5 Feb - BEN-HUR at the ABC cinema
Sun 28 Feb - MAJOR DUNDEE
Tue 8 Jun - THE WRECK OF THE MARY DEARE
Fri 11 Jun - RUBY GENTRY
Thur 26 Aug - THE PIGEON THAT TOOK ROME


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 Post subject: Re: The Savage
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My goodness, sir, you have kept a record of the dates as well!!! You started writing diary from a very early age, is it so?

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 Post subject: Re: The Savage
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I bet he still has the stubs!

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 Post subject: Re: The Savage
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Apparently the weather was atrocious when Heston filmed THE SAVAGE. The working title for the movie was WARBONNET.


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