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 Post subject: Re: Secret of the Incas
PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2015 9:41 am 
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Yes Thorn. He stated that he had neatly removed it from the magazine, and since it was the British SECRET OF THE INCAS poster I had to have it. I have seen some of those old 1950's trade mags for sale at Film Memorabilia fairs and they are beautiful. Thick, glossy paper with some terrific full page posters. The seller is obviously selling each poster individually - which is a great shame to destroy the whole magazine like that. I emailed him afterwards asking if there were any written details or reviews concerning SECRET OF THE INCAS, but alas (and as usual) no reply.


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 Post subject: Re: Secret of the Incas
PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2015 2:29 pm 
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After scouring scores of American newspapers from June 1981 in the hope of finding any contemporary RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK reviews that mention the influence SECRET OF THE INCAS had on the movie, I only managed to find just one that even mentions Heston's name. Unbelievably, the author Robert Newall doesn't even mention Indiana Jones by name, and he is very unkind to the acting capabilities of Harrison Ford and Karen Allen. He describes Ford as being virtually asleep, which is truly ridiculous.


Bangor Daily News, June 11, 1981
'LOST ARK' HAS ACTION, BUT NOT MUCH MORE
By Robert Newall.

If ever there was a movie crammed with action it has to be "The Raiders of the Lost Ark" opening Friday, June 12, at the Brewer Cinema Center. Handsomely produced with evidently no expense spared to remind us of the old Cecil B. DeMille epics, it takes us back to 1936, when, according to its somewhat shaky and suspect thesis, Hitler was so consumed by relics that could assure his power that he dispatched his agents to search out the Ark of the Covenant.

Now the Ark was the central vessel of the religion practiced by Old Testament Israelites inasmuch as it was the repository of the spirit of God. It was kept in the Holy of Holies in the temple in Jerusalem and only on specific occasions could it be approached - and then only with trepidation - by the high priest. Anyone seeking to profane it was subject to instant death. From this it can be easily be seen how supernatural powers were attached to the sacred element.

The movie quickly lets us know that only a few highly informed people know of its possible whereabouts. Since it's a matter of some moment whether the United States or Germany discovers it first owing to its preternatural powers, an archaeologist (Harrison Ford) is dispatched to locate his old professor somewhere in Nepal and to glean whatever data he can from him. Doffing his spectacles (after all, how could we know that he is erudite without the glasses, the vest and the briefcase?) Ford rushes off, covering thousands of miles neatly, especially for the 1930s.
By this time transformed into a man of singular marksmanship and general derring-do, all quite amazing for a cloistered scholar. Ford doesn't find his old prof, but he does run into his bibulous daughter, who has the gold item that can be used to locate the ark in Egypt. After a tussle with the German squadron, the girl, Maria, miraculously manages to snatch the gold piece from the fire consuming her bistro in the Nepalese hinterland.
On to Egypt. Here is a mind-boggling succession of near escapes from Brother Ford. All the cliches culled from Charlie Chan movies and other exotic mysteries are pulled out - even the one in which Ford is barely prevented from downing a poisoned date. One has already polished off a particularly truculent and raucous monkey.
One sure thing: there are virtually no longeurs in this manic parade of incidents, all designed to keep the viewer gasping and wriggling. To say the truth, they accomplish their purpose since the film has an uncanny knack of barely allowing us to catch our breath before it barrels along onto another adventure. Small wonder that the hero and heroine are constantly interrupted in their love-making.
Frankly, it's a good thing that the Messrs. Steven Spielberg and George Lucas, the co-directors, managed all these imbroglios with such panache since the acting, by and large, is execrable. Ford is a kind of somnolent Charlton Heston, and Karen Allen, the ingenue, is fiercely unsophisticated, not even being able to walk gracefully. She can scream, though. One exception is that ever-dependable actor, Denholm Elliott as Brody, for he lends the affair whatever histrionic integrity it has.
"Raiders" is a darned good action picture. But don't look for much else.


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 Post subject: Re: Secret of the Incas
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James Byrne wrote:
Same hear Chrysagon. I have so many dvds if I lived to be old as Moses I still couldn't look at them all. I have very near complete Heston (only missing THE PIGEON THAT TOOK ROME), John Wayne, Robert de Niro, Burt Lancaster, Kirk Douglas, etc. plus thousands of books, floor to ceiling, in every room.

As Chuck would say, "IT'S A MADHOUSE!"


I now have THE PIGEON THAT TOOK ROME which arrived through the post three days ago. I purchased the dvd from this seller http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Pigeon-That ... 1230090494 and I'm very pleased the quality of the print.

For the very first time, after years of collecting, I now own every single Charlton Heston movie.

The seller has already sold 46 copies of this very rare Heston comedy, and at that price - its a genuine bargain.


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Remembering the wonderful character actor Edward Colmans http://free-classic-tv-shows.com/Advent ... aleria.jpg who died 38 years ago today. Edward was the only cast member of SECRET OF THE INCAS who was born in England.

Colmans played Colonel Cardoza, who represented the Peruvian government. It was his job to see that Robert Young and the others on the archaeological dig didn't "appropriate any souvenirs."

Rest in Peace Edward Colmans.

There seems to be someone born in Great Britain in every single Charlton Heston movie ... even THE GREATEST SHOW ON EARTH has Bob Hope in a gag cameo.


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 Post subject: Re: Secret of the Incas
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I just love this shot from 5 May 1954 of a Singing Cowboy advertising JOHNNY GUITAR in Times Square. SECRET OF THE INCAS is playing at the Victoria Theater in the right hand side of the photo. http://www.elvisechoesofthepast.com/wp- ... May-03.jpg


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 Post subject: Re: Secret of the Incas
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SECRET OF THE INCAS British television dates of transmission
30 Nov 1965 – Tyne Tees (8.00pm - 10.05pm)
9 Apr 1966 – ITV North and Midlands (6.35pm - 8.20pm)
31 May 1966 – ITV Anglia (8.00pm - 10.05pm)
13 Oct 1966 – Scottish (7.00pm - 8.55pm)
13 May 1967 – Border (6.36pm - 8.30pm)
13 Oct 1968 – ITV Tyne Tees (3.15pm - 5.00pm)
7 Dec 1968 – Ulster (8.20pm - 10.10pm)
13 Mar 1969 – Grampian (6.15pm - 8.05pm)
25 Jul 1970 – HTV Cymru (7.15pm - 9.00pm)
19 Feb 1972 – Westward (3.00pm - 4.35pm)
18 Oct 1975 – BBC1 (7.00pm - 8.40pm)
11 Mar 1978 – BBC2 (2.45pm - 4.25pm)
28 Apr 1979 – BBC1 (10.50am - 12.27pm)
6 Oct 1986 – ITV South-West (1.30pm - 3.25pm)
19 Jan 1987 – ITV Anglia (1.30pm - 3.25pm)
3 Mar 1987 – ITV Thames (1.30pm - 3.23pm)
3 Apr 1987 – ITV London (1.30pm - 3.23pm)
28 Mar 1988 – ITV HTV (1.30pm - 3.23pm)
18 Apr 1988 – ITV Grampian (1.30pm - 3.23pm)
19 Dec 1988 – ITV Border (1.30pm - 3.23pm)
7 Apr 1991 – ITV Yorkshire (3.10pm - 5.05pm)
9 Nov 1991 – ITV Anglia (2.50pm - 4.45pm)
23 Nov 1991 - ITV London (3.00pm - 4.45pm)
30 Nov 1991 – ITV TVS (2.50pm - 4.45pm)
26 Feb 1994 – SKY. MOVIE CHANNEL (2.20pm - 4.05pm)
3 Mar 1994 – SKY. MOVIE CHANNEL (2.20pm - 4.05pm)
13 Mar 1994 – SKY.MOVIE CHANNEL (12.00pm - 2.00pm)
26 Mar 1994 – SKY. MOVIE CHANNEL (10.00am - 12.00pm)
31 Mar 1994 – SKY. MOVIE CHANNEL (4.00pm - 6.00pm)
7 Jan 1996 – SKY. MOVIE CHANNEL (12.00pm - 2.00pm)
16 Jan 1996 – SKY. MOVIE CHANNEL (12.00pm - 2.00pm)
26 Jan 1996 – SKY. MOVIE CHANNEL (12.00pm - 2.00pm)
2 Nov 1996 – SKY. MOVIE CHANNEL (8.00am - 10.00am)
9 Nov 1996 – SKY. MOVIE CHANNEL (10.00am - 12.00pm)
11 Nov 1996 – SKY. MOVIE CHANNEL (10.00am - 12.00pm)
23 Nov 1996 – SKY. MOVIE CHANNEL (2.00pm - 4.00pm)
27 Nov 1996 – SKY. MOVIE CHANNEL (2.00pm - 4.00pm)
6 Jun 2004 – Channel 5 (3.50pm - 5.45pm)
30 Apr 2006 – Channel 5 (2.35pm - 4.30pm)
25 Mar 2007 – Channel 5 (2.40pm - 4.35pm)
22 Dec 2014 - TCM (4.55pm - 6.55pm)
22 Dec 2014 - TCM+1 (5.55pm - 7.55pm)
23 Dec 2014 - TCM (8.45am - 10.45am)
23 Dec 2014 - TCM+1 (9.45am - 11 .45am)
6 Jan 2015 - TCM (7.00pm - 9.00pm)
6 Jan 2015 - TCM+1 (8.00pm - 11.00pm)
7 Jan 2015 - TCM (5.00am - 7.00am)
7 Jan 2015 - TCM+1 (6.00am - 8.00am)
29 Jan 2015 - TCM (4.30pm - 6.30pm)
29 Jan 2015 - TCM+1 (5.30pm - 7.30pm)
30 Jan 2015 - TCM (9.20am - 11.20 am)
30 Jan 2015 - TCM+1 (10.20am - 12.20pm)
12 Feb 2015 - TCM (3.00 pm - 5.00pm)
12 Feb 2015 - TCM+1 (4.00pm - 6.00pm)
13 Feb 2015 - TCM (9.00am - 10.55am)
13 Feb 2015 - TCM+1 (10.00am - 11.55am)
30 Mar 2015 - TCM (5.00pm - 6.55 pm)
30 Mar 2015 - TCM+1 (6.00pm - 7.55pm)
31 Mar 2015 - TCM (6.45 am - 8.40am)
31 Mar 2015 - TCM+1 (7.45am - 9.40am)
16 Apr 2015 - TCM (4.45pm - 6.35pm)
16 Apr 2015 -TCM+1 (5.55pm - 7.35pm)
17 Apr 2015 - TCM (10.55am - 12.50pm)
17 Apr 2015 - TCM+1 (11.55 am - 13.50pm)
16 May 2015 - TCM (7.00pm - 9.00pm)
16 May 2015 - TCM+1 (8.00pm - 10.00pm)
17 May 2015 - TCM (10.50am - 12.45pm)
17 May 2015 - TCM+1 (11.00am - 13.45pm)
21 Jul 2015 - TCM (3.00pm - 5.00pm)
21 Jul 2015 - TCM+1 (4.00pm - 6.00pm)
2 Oct 2015 - TCM (3.00pm - 4.55pm)
2 Oct 2015 - TCM+1 (4.00pm - 5.55pm)
3 Oct 2015 - TCM (9.00am - 10.55am)
3 Oct 2015 - TCM+1 (10.00am - 11.55am)
2 Nov 2015 - TCM (5.10pm - 7.10pm)
2 Nov 2015 - TCM+1 (6.10pm - 8.10pm)
3 Nov 2015 - TCM (8.45am - 10.40am)
3 Nov 2015 - TCM+1 (9.45am - 11.40am)
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I thought I would update the British screening dates of SECRET OF THE INCAS, which I last did on my website http://www.secretoftheincas.co.uk/page12.html some years ago. Since then this great movie has had over 30 outings on British TCM.

The blue highlighted date is the first time the movie was first transmitted on British television without adverts. It was its premiere on the BBC. I looked up the BBC data for that date and was amazed how everything is worked out to the very last second. The Radio Times and newspapers for that date list the movie as starting at 7.00 in the evening, SATURDAY NIGHT AT THE MOVIES, but the BBC data page lists the movies starting time as 7.02 and 28 seconds. How exact can you get! The exact time it finished was 8.39 and 58 seconds.

The very first time it was shown on British tv, well, the first date I can locate, is 30 November 1965. 55 minutes after starting, on the second advert break the Tyne Tees channel also included a brief broadcast of the news headlines.

My dates are more thorough than the three measly tv dates that the British Film Institute display.


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 Post subject: Re: Secret of the Incas
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Great, and amazingly informative! But how do you manage to keep such minute details? Did you start keeping notes in a diary since 1965?

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 Post subject: Re: Secret of the Incas
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It’s wonderful to hear from you after such a lengthy time, Judah.
Now, to your question, from an early age I used to jot down the dates when SECRET OF THE INCAS was screened on British television. When my father had finished the crossword in his daily newspaper he always handed it over to me (I was anxious to see the sports page) and the first time that I noticed the movie was going to be televised was 30 November 1965. I remember thinking at the time that I hoped it would be shown in my own tv region (North and Midlands) very soon, which it did to my joy five months later. In those days there were only two channels on British television, which is hard to believe now, and the ITV regions had their own magazine, TV Times, and the BBC had the Radio Times. That week’s issue of the TV Times in 1966 had a fabulous full-page write-up of SECRET OF THE INCAS, with photos and full cast list. Nowadays, it’s just a few lines because of the amount of channels the magazines have to preview. Anyway, I was quite excited that the movie was on that Saturday night, but the downside to it was that colour tv hadn’t been invented in Britain yet, and the black and white airing visibly paled in comparison to my first cinema experience three years before, in glorious Technicolor on a big cinema screen. The location footage of Machu Picchu and the Yma Sumac musical sequences lost much of their impact in b/w on a television. In short, much of the magic was missing. I couldn’t believe my eyes, or my ears, when I first saw Yma Sumac explode into action the first time I saw the movie at the flicks. I was spellbound by her unearthly performance. I glanced at my dad, sitting next to me, to see his reaction to her, and his eyes were lit up during her rendition of Earthquake. Dad was an Operatic tenor and an aficionado of opera, and I asked him all about Yma Sumac as we walked home from the cinema that night in 1963. At one point he dismissed her as “just a musical gimmick from a few years back,” but he sure looked dazzled at her musical interludes at the cinema.
Getting back to the first tv showing of the movie, as I pointed out earlier there were only two channels over here back then, so you either watched one or the other, and most of the British Isles owned a tv set by then, it’s a safe bet that millions of people watched SECRET OF THE INCAS that night. Some of the popular shows, like STEPTOE AND SON, registered 20 million viewers. The UK population in 1965 was 54.35 million so it is safe to say that maybe 15 million tuned into SECRET OF THE INCAS that night if they didn't fancy what was showing on the BBC.

When I first saw the movie on ITV, 9 April 1966, the opposition over on BBC was very strong. DIXON OF DOCK GREEN had already been on for twenty minutes and it was followed by the movie GREAT DAY IN THE MORNING.

Speaking of figures, I have noticed a marked decrease in input on these boards just lately - yet the viewing figures keep rising!

MONTHLY VIEWING FIGURES FOR "SECRET OF THE INCAS" ON CHF.

2014 -------------------------- 2015
Jan - 1339 -------------------- Jan - 2081
Feb - 1086 ------------------- Feb - 1793
Mar - 1328 ------------------- Mar - 2325
Apr - 714 -------------------- Apr - 1916
May - 1335 ------------------- May - 2938
Jun - 1811 ------------------- Jun - 2096
Jul - 2260

This months figures already exceeds last years and there is still another week to go!


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 Post subject: Re: Secret of the Incas
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It will not decrease!

Nice to read about your diligent method, Mr. Byrne. Any researcher of any field should learn from you.

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 Post subject: Re: Secret of the Incas
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Why thank you tizzyd.

I just came across this site on the Catholic Legion of Decency http://archive.org/stream/motionpicture ... i_djvu.txt and to my dismay CLOD classified SECRET OF THE INCAS as a 'B,' which means it is "Morally objectionable in part for all" because of its "low moral and suggestive situations." Thank goodness that my dad, a really strict Irish Catholic, didn't know this information in advance or else he wouldn't have taken me to the cinema that night in 1963 to see the film.

The ironic thing is that at least three of the movies stars were Catholics: Nicole Maurey, Thomas Mitchell and Marion Ross. Since Peru is 98% Catholic it is more than likely that Yma Sumac was a Catholic as well.

What is even sillier is that CLOD classified THE GREATEST SHOW ON EARTH as a 'B,' and gave this as a reason-

Objection: Especially because of the youth-appeal of this film
the following objections should be carefully noted: "Despite cer-
tain mitigating considerations an emotional impact of this film
tends to condone, and arguments presented to justify, the sinful
act of mercy killing. It also contains suggestive costuming and
dialogue."


What is most puzzling to me, however, is the classification CLOD gave to ARROWHEAD, they rated it as "A II" which means it is " Morally unobjectionable for Adults and Adolescents." Considering that the Politically Correct brigade have labelled this unusual Heston western as the most racist and repulsive western ever made, the rating by CLOD is very confusing.

I might have to take another look at SECRET OF THE INCAS just to see all the low moral depravity and suggestive situations, and then see my priest afterwards. I wonder how the priest would react if I started my confession with "Bless me father, it has been a couple of years since my last confession, and I have been watching SECRET OF THE INCAS and THE GREATEST SHOW ON EARTH".


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