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 Post subject: Re: Secret of the Incas
PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2015 10:54 am 
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I've found something curious, look at this pic-
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I can't remember any such shot from the SOTI, and I think Heston has never been shirtless in the whole movie. So wherefrom comes this? Is it a separately taken shot, to be used as publicity still?


Charlton Heston was going to be shirtless in one scene in SECRET OF THE INCAS, but the script was changed at the last minute, according to the 16 October 1953 Final White Script LEGEND OF THE INCA (as the movie was called then). Here is a portion from that script:

Scene 25. INTERIOR HOTEL ROOM
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The man is sitting in one of the two straight-backed chairs, smoking a ropy looking cigar. The other chair is in front of him, the assembled rifle leaning against it.
He is in such a position in front of the window that he can see across the square and into the hotel rooms across the way. A movement in one of the rooms catches his eye.
Lifting the rifle so that it rests on the back of the chair in front of him, he takes a squint through the telescopic sight.

Scene 26. MAGNIFIED SHOT (WHAT HE SEES)
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The cross hairs of the scope come into focus, and we are looking into Harry's room in the Hotel de Touristas. A nice room, pleasantly furnished.
Harry has just come in, an is busy changing his shirt. He moves back and forth, in and out of the light. But he's apparently going to be there a while.

Scene 27. INTERIOR CHEAP HOTEL ROOM
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The man as he lowers the rifle, neatly puts his cigar in a saucer, and loads his rifle carefully. He is ready.

Scene 28. INTERIOR HARRY'S ROOM (NATURAL)
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As Harry washes up from the pitcher and water basin in his room, and gets ready to put on on a clean shirt.
(We are conscious of the open window leading out onto a small balcony -- and every time Harry pauses near the window we wait for something to happen).
Finally, Harry stands at the window a moment, drying his hands -- he must be a good target for the man now.
Someone knocks on the door sharply -- Harry turns away from the window.

Scene 29. INTERIOR CHEAP HOTEL ROOM.
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as the man lifts his eye from the telescopic sight, with a gesture of annoyance. He is perspiring heavily. Very tense. He wipes his hand with a handkerchief, and then his forehead. His hand is shaking.

Scene 30. INTERIOR HARRY'S ROOM - TOWARD DOOR
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A well dressed young American named Robinson is standing there. He happens to be the newly appointed assistant to the U.S. Consul at Lima. He is not a bad sort of fellow, but at the moment is a new broom sweeping clean. Also, he knows a great deal about Harry and is prepared to disapprove of him heartily. He carries a briefcase and is too well dressed for this climate.


I'll stop there because Harry puts a clean shirt on while talking to Robinson. Its interesting to note that quite a lot of pre-publicity stills show Heston shirtless carrying Elena Antonescu in all sorts of different poses.

Those publicity guys liked to have their top stars in all sorts of beef-cake poses (as they were called). Here is Heston between takes of THE GREATEST SHOW ON EARTH with Laura May Petrello, displaying his torso once again.

http://theredlist.com/media/database/se ... edlist.jpg

By the way, Brad Braden, Heston's character in the circus epic, was based on Laura's husband Mike Petrello. Here is an obituary on Laura, which mentions that interesting fact.
http://www.miamiherald.com/entertainmen ... 72750.html


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 Post subject: Re: Secret of the Incas
PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:19 pm 
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Just seen this on the SECRET OF THE INCAS IMDb boards, by my old mate from New York, "hobnob."

SOTI on JEOPARDY!
by hobnob53, (Wed Oct 7 2015)
IMDb member since April 2006

On Wednesday, October 7, 2015, Secret of the Incas got some long-overdue recognition from no less than America's favorite quiz show, Jeopardy!.

Now, for my buddies from Britain, allow me to explain just what Jeopardy! is. (Americans, bear with me, or skip to the red heading two paragraphs below.)


WHAT JEOPARDY IS AND HOW IT WORKS....

Jeopardy! has been on the air more or less steadily since 1964. For many years now it's been hosted by a man named Alex Trebek. Each day, three contestants compete for cash by answering clues correctly. Each program is divided into three parts: basic "Jeopardy", where the contestants face a board of six categories with five clues each, each clue in each category worth in descending order $200, $400, $600, $800 and $1000. (Each clue is hidden behind the amounts and are only revealed when a contestant asks for it.) The second half, "Double Jeopardy", has the same set-up except the clues have doubled in value: $400, $800, $1200, $1600, $2000. Lastly comes "Final Jeopardy" in which a final clue is given, with the contestants wagering some or all of their earnings then writing down their response. The person with the most money at the end wins and returns the next day to face two new opponents.

Now, the gimmick is that the clues are given in the form of an answer, and the contestants have to supply the question. So, for example: say the category is "Actors". Someone will ask, "'Actors' for six hundred, Alex" and the answer will be revealed. Let's say the answer is: "He won the Oscar for Best Actor in 1959 for Ben-Hur". Any contestant may ring his buzzer and give the question, "Who is Charlton Heston?" and would have $600 added to his total. If he answered wrong (for instance, by saying "Who is Ernest Borgnine?"), he'd lose $600. There are also what are called "Daily Doubles", one in "Jeopardy" and two in "Double Jeopardy"; when these are revealed, the contestant who asked for that clue can wager any amount he wishes, and will win or lose that amount depending on his response to the subsequent clue.


NOW THAT IT'S BEEN EXPLAINED...

On October 7, 2015, the Final Jeopardy category was MOVIE CHARACTERS. Alex Trebek introduced it by saying it was always a favorite subject, then as usual began, "The Final Jeopardy answer is -- " and it was revealed:

CHARLTON HESTON'S WARDROBE IN 1954'S "SECRET OF THE INCAS" INSPIRED THE CLOTHES WORN BY THIS ADVENTUROUS CHARACTER 27 YEARS LATER.

He then told the contestants, "30 seconds" whereupon the famous Final Jeopardy music played.

The woman with the lowest score wrote "Who is Raiders of the Lost Ark", explaining she couldn't think of the character's name, so she lost. The middle-scorer got it right ("Who is Indiana Jones?") and went ahead of the champion by a dollar, but then he got it too and won his ninth straight game. (This guy is dislikable but phenomenal: in 9 days he's accumulated over $245,000, an astounding total for the show.)

Anyway, I nearly fell over when I saw SOTI in the answer. The film is, after all, somewhat obscure (inexplicably, but nonetheless), and I'm willing to bet none of the three have ever seen it. To have it given some major fame on the biggest quiz show in the United States can't be bad. Will it trigger a legitimate DVD release sometime? Doubtful, but, hey, the publicity couldn't hurt.


ONE MORE NOTE FOR THE BRITS:

If you've seen Die Hard you may remember a scene where Bruce Willis is on the radio with terrorist leader Alan Rickman, who in trying to figure out who Willis is says something about his being a security guard. Willis makes a loud buzzer sound and says, "Sorry, Hans, would you like to try for Double Jeopardy where the scores can really change?" I know my other friends in Britain never understood that line. There's the explanation.

James, Os, HCH -- where the heck have all of us been? About time we resumed before we lose our exclusive rights to the board!


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 Post subject: Re: Secret of the Incas
PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 11:53 am 
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Has anybody else had the same trouble as me this week in logging on to these Charlton Heston Forums?

Its just taken me 20 minutes .... that's 20 minutes .... just to log on!

At least I eventually got through this time, not like the last three days.

Harry Steele had an easier time finding the Sunburst than I had getting on this site.

Has anybody else had this problem recently?


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 Post subject: Re: Secret of the Incas
PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2015 11:10 pm 
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Yes, James. I was just about to ask other members the same thing. Today I got online right away though, thankfully.

Really great stuff about the Jeopardy question, by the way.

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 Post subject: Re: Secret of the Incas
PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2015 12:32 pm 
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Hi Thorn!

I just logged on straight away today, the first time in nearly a week, so hopefully it was just a temporary glitch.

My local library won't allow those photos of me and Chuck to be viewed because .... get this! .... they are considered to be pornographic!

james-byrne-s-meetings-with-charlton-heston-incl-pictures-t466.html

You coudn't make this stuff up even if you tried, could you?


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 Post subject: Re: Secret of the Incas
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The last two SECRET OF THE INCAS reviews posted on the IMDb are ridiculous, in my opinion.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0047464/rev ... ter=chrono
alejandrogermanr from Argentina expected the Heston movie to be an exact replica of RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK, probably based on what he read from Deborah Nadoolman, the costume designer for RAIDERS who ludicrously stated in an interview that "Raiders is a scene-for-scene remake of Secret of the Incas." Why she said that in the interview (on two separate occasions) is anybody's guess. For someone who viewed SECRET OF THE INCAS numerous times before developing the costume for Indiana Jones, she didn't follow the plot of the Heston movie very well, did she? Maybe she was just making notes on Chuck's attire, but to call the Heston film a "scene-for-scene remake" is utter nonsense.

TOO SILLY AND NO RESEMBLANCE TO "RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK" AT ALL.
Author: alejandrogermanr from Argentina
18 October 2015
I like all kind of old movies but THE SECRET OF THE INCAS is a waste of talent with actors like C. Heston, T Mitchell and R. Young. For those of you who like fast moving adventure movies, with great performances, this is NOT for you.

The film is often cited as a direct inspiration for the Indiana Jones character. I did not see many scenes in SECRET OF THE INCAS bearing a resemblance in tone or structure to scenes in RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK. I like Raiders...... and this movie is NOT similar at all.

Throughout SECRET OF THE INCAS, the main character, Harry Steele, can be seen wearing the "Indiana Jones" outfit: brown leather jacket, fedora, tan pants, an over-the-shoulder bag, and a revolver (he never uses) and nothing else is similar. Two different character backgrounds and goals make them no similar at all.


GreatTreeWiseMan from Russia is disappointed because SECRET OF THE INCAS doesn't have the same action as an Indiana Jones movie. The Heston movie relies more on character developement than the cartoon-like histrionics of Indy, and that is why its a far better movie in my opinion, a kind of homage to THE TREASURE OF THE SIERRA MADRE.

PROMISING BUT BORING
Author: GreatTreeWiseMan from Russia
4 May 2015
Like probably most of the people who become interested in this film now I decided to watch it in desire of becoming more familiar with classics that inspired Indiana Jones. Frankly I was quite disappointed. It had great possibilities to develop. Charismatic adventurous protagonist with a key to the great treasure of the Incas. Love interest, defector from the Eastern bloc who stays illegally in the country. The somewhat friendly antagonist who is not so different from the main character. I wouldn't call him evil twin but rather possible dark (if somewhat pathetic) future of the protagonist if he doesn't reconsider his ways. Personally I liked the role it played in the plot. While one may consider all these clichés they prepare everything required for perfect adventure. The main problem is that for the adventure movie... there is not much adventure going on! I don't even mean action scenes but simply doing anything more than enjoying hospitality of the archaeologists! Still I enjoyed the atmosphere and my own expectations a lot. Thanks to that I can't call this movie bad.


Coincidentally, both the Russian and Argentinian IMDb posters have only just become members of the IMDb, and chose SECRET OF THE INCAS as their first (and only) film to slate .... and both are fans of Indiana Jones. Why didn't they choose to write about RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK for their first post, instead of slagging off a wonderful old movie like SECRET OF THE INCAS. It's a bit suspicious, isn't it?


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 Post subject: Re: Secret of the Incas
PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2015 6:10 pm 
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James Byrne wrote:
Hi Thorn!

I just logged on straight away today, the first time in nearly a week, so hopefully it was just a temporary glitch.

My local library won't allow those photos of me and Chuck to be viewed because .... get this! .... they are considered to be pornographic!

james-byrne-s-meetings-with-charlton-heston-incl-pictures-t466.html

You coudn't make this stuff up even if you tried, could you?

:lol: What the heck? Must be something wrong with their system or something.

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 Post subject: Re: Secret of the Incas
PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2015 1:25 pm 
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Lincoln Central Library did this to my own site a while back, if you remember, Thorn. Anyway, I kicked up a storm about how ridiculous it was and the photos of Chuck and me are viewable again.

Happy 87th birthday to that lovely lady Marion Ross ... the only surviving cast member from SECRET OF THE INCAS who is still making movies. May she have many more Happy Days!


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 Post subject: Re: Secret of the Incas
PostPosted: Wed Oct 28, 2015 3:19 pm 
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This review on Amazon.com really takes the biscuit!

https://www.amazon.com/product-reviews/ ... geNumber=1


Malene Swensonon October 7, 2015
Format: Amazon Instant Video Verified Purchase
Couldn't really get into the plot of it. Charlton Heston's personality is too big for this picture!

Words fail me!


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 Post subject: Re: Secret of the Incas
PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2015 1:12 pm 
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My good friend from Paris, a lovely lady called France Darnell, has translated my interview with Fraser Heston into French for her tribute site on Charlton Heston.

http://www.charlton-heston.net/intervie ... a119129878

France Darnell has also uploaded some striking screencaps from SECRET OF THE INCAS as well.

http://www.charlton-heston.net/le-secre ... a118683372


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