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 Post subject: Re: Heston vs. Brando - Film Career Comparison
PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 3:49 am 
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I remember that annecdote from In the Arena where all the Hollywoody-supporters of the Civil Rights march assembled at Heston's house for a meeting, and Brando proposed with great passion and enthusiasm that they will lie down on the road, stop the transport, chain themselves to the Lincoln statue and so on. Great passion-- but what was the calm and cool Host's reply? "We aren't going to do no such things". The March for him was so serious that he didn't want to affect it with any show-business and dramatic outburst, whereas Brando wanted it that way. Both attitudes are genuine and admirable, but look at the difference in personality.

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 Post subject: Re: Heston vs. Brando - Film Career Comparison
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Hey, how could I forget to add this to the Heston-Brando debate. Fraser Heston told me that he used the H.M.S. Bounty, provided by Ted Turner who got it from MGM, for his version of TREASURE ISLAND - which was used for Brando's MUTINY ON THE BOUNTY. That leads to another slight connection, Clark Gable starred in CALL OF THE WILD and MUTINY ON THE BOUNTY, which were both remade starring Heston and Brando.

This is one of the most enjoyable threads on the Charlton Heston Forum, and I would love our very talented friend Chrysagon to put the icing on the cake and add some applicable stills to all the info he has amassed. I enjoy the visual style of your posts Chrysagon - and if you visually update your original post with loads of photos it would be a real classic, not to mention a feast to the eyes!


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 Post subject: Re: Heston vs. Brando - Film Career Comparison
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Hope he will respond soon, in his own usual style.

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 Post subject: Re: Heston vs. Brando - Film Career Comparison
PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:34 am 
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Maybe Chrysagon is working on it, Judah ... hope so, anyway.


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 Post subject: Re: Heston vs. Brando - Film Career Comparison
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When I first read of James Byrne's suggestion, my first thought was, no - too much; can't do it. But, the more I thought of it, the more intrigued I became of the concept. :idea: The entire Brando-Heston comparison has been thought-provoking to me for some time and to redo it as a 'Deluxe' version offers great possibilities. (also, there have been other suggestions, such as a Heston/Gregory Peck comparison, but when I thought about how I would do it, I just couldn't make it work in my head; the key with the Brando/Heston comparison is that they began in film at the same time; then they had very similar points in their careers and interesting divergences; this wouldn't work with just any other actors).

In any case, this would be a massive undertaking - if it's done right (which is the only way I can do it). So I need to set aside an entire day or do it in bits and pieces; either way, it will take a bit of time. :comegetsome:


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 Post subject: Re: Heston vs. Brando - Film Career Comparison
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Good man Chrysagon ... I for one am really looking forward to it.

Another Heston - Brando titbit. As you said, both made their film debuts in 1950, and .... Jack Webb was in both DARK CITY and THE MEN.


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 Post subject: Re: Heston vs. Brando - Film Career Comparison
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James Byrne wrote:
Another Heston - Brando titbit. As you said, both made their film debuts in 1950, and .... Jack Webb was in both DARK CITY and THE MEN.


Very True, James - you pick up these details in a manner similar to my own, but I beat you to it on this one: I added the note about Jack Webb to the last version of the Brando/Heston comparison back in May (you can tell by the notation at the bottom of the post where it states the last time I edited it). 8-)


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 Post subject: Re: Heston vs. Brando - Film Career Comparison
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________ HESTON! BRANDO! Two Titans of Cinema! --- They Could Not Be More Different... and yet...
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And Yet, Their Film careers began at virtually the same time and have startling similarities! By Chance? By Design?
_____ By the Capricious Whims of Fate or the Workings of a Grand Cosmic Plan? Who Can Know?
________________ Heston - born October 4, 1923; Brando - born April 3, 1924
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1950: Brando's film debut in the small b&w The Men; Heston's 1st pro film, a small b&w noir Dark City
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__ Brando plays a paraplegic, his body damaged; Heston's character is fine physically but ethically challenged
- actor Jack Webb co-stars in both films ImageImage

1951: Brando becomes a big star in A Streetcar Named Desire; Heston appears in a few TV roles for Studio One
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:arrow: :arrow: Brando is electrifying in Streetcar...; Heston stars in A Bolt of Lightning on Studio One

1952: Brando plays a Mexican revolutionary rebel in Viva Zapata! > Image
_____ Heston plays The Savage rebel and becomes a star in DeMille's Greatest Show on Earth
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1953: Brando plays Antony in Julius Caesar and a biker outlaw in The Wild One, fighting other bikers
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_____ Heston plays Andrew Jackson in The President's Lady and fights Indians in a couple of westerns :cowboy1:
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_____ Brando fights Lee Marvin in The Wild One, but with minor injuries; Heston fights Jack Palance
_____ to the death in Arrowhead; Marvin & Palance later starred together in Monte Walsh (1970)

1954: Brando wins his 1st Oscar as Terry for On the Waterfront and plays Napoleon in Désirée
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_____ Heston plays a Napoleon of the Amazon in The Naked Jungle and wins cult fame as Harry in Secret of the Incas :harrysteele:
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1955: Brando tries his hand at a musical comedy in Guys and Dolls with Sinatra and Jean Simmons;
_____ Heston tries his hand at comedy in The Private War of Major Benson with ...actresses as nuns
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_____ Jean Simmons had already starred with Brando in Désirée ; she would go on to The Big Country (58) with Heston

1956: Brando plays a Japanese interpreter for his people in The Teahouse of the August Moon
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_____ Heston plays Moses in the huge The Ten Commandments and becomes a big star
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1956-1957: Heston stars as Capt. Colt in Three Violent People, co-starring Anne Baxter
__________ Brando stars as a Major in Sayonara, co-starring Martha Scott
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1958: Brando plays a German soldier in the b&w war film The Young Lions, with Maximilian Schell
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_____ Heston plays a Mexican detective in the b&w crime noir Touch of Evil, with Orson Welles
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1959: Brando plays a drifter in the small b&w film The Fugitive Kind (he'd turned down the Ben-Hur role);
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_____ Heston is in the biggest film of the year, Ben-Hur, wins an Oscar and becomes an epic superstar
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1961: Brando stars in and directs the epic western One-Eyed Jacks, he plays crook Rio;
_____ Heston stars in the epic El Cid as Rodrigo; it out-grosses One-Eyed Jacks several times over :elcid:
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------ and if it appears that The Cid is defending himself from Brando's gunfire - I did plan it that way ;)

1962: Brando stars in the epic Mutiny on the Bounty; Clark Gable starred in an earlier version...
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_____ Heston returns to comedy in The Pigeon That Took Rome; but, Brando is only
_____ a 1st Lieutenant in his film under Capt. Bligh, while Heston plays a Captain in his film
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1963: Brando plays an ambassador in The Ugly American, about a civil war in a foreign land
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_____ Heston plays a soldier helping an ambassador in 55 Days at Peking, during civil war in China
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_____ David Niven would return next year to star with Brando in a comedy, Bedtime Story

Heston & Brando campaign for Civil Rights with Martin Luther King in Washington DC
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1964-1965: Brando stars in the comedy Bedtime Story; Heston plays John the Baptist,
__________ a small role in the epic The Greatest Story Ever Told
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1965: Brando again plays a German during the big war in Morituri, also starring Yul Brynner (The King and I);
_____ Heston plays a big War Lord and an Italian in The Agony and the Ecstasy, also starring Rex Harrison (Anna & the King of Siam 1946)
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Heston is aided by Richard Boone in The War Lord; Boone remains loyal to the very end in this film...
Boone aids Brando a few years later (1968); they have a falling out... Image

1965-1966: Heston's western is the big Major Dundee; Brando's is the small The Appaloosa
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-------------- in both cases, their characters have to head down to Mexico to resolve things
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1966
: Brando tries to maintain the peace (as a sheriff) in a small town in The Chase; he ends up leaving
_____ Heston tries to maintain the peace (as a general) in the Sudan in Khartoum; he ends up staying
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1967: Brando helps a countess escape the Russians in A Countess From Hong Kong
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_____ of course, Sophia Loren had appeared with Heston years earlier in El Cid (1961)
_____ Heston helps his orchestra escape the Germans in Counterpoint
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_____ of course, Maximilian Schell appeared with Brando in The Young Lions (58)

1967-1968: Brando stars in Reflections in a Golden Eye with Elizabeth Taylor;
____________ Heston stars in a special TV Movie, Elizabeth the Queen...
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1968: Brando plays a kidnapper in the thriller Night of the Following Day - it flops;
_____ Heston plays an astronaut in the sci-fi Planet of the Apes - it's a huge hit
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_____ also, Brando's low point - a weird guru in Candy? ------------------------ Heston's high point - Will Penny?
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1969-1970: Brando tries to mess things up on a Caribbean island in Burn! (Quiemada) - metaphorical title
_________ Heston tries to keep order on the Hawaiian islands in The Hawaiians - literal fire, as pictured
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1970: Heston & Brando appear in the documentary, King: A Filmed Record... Montgomery to Memphis
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Heston also stars as Antony in another film version of Julius Caesar, repeating his 1950 amateur effort
and playing the same part as Brando did in the 1953 version; Heston would return to Antony in 1972...

1971: Brando is the victim of murderous kids in the spooky The Nightcomers
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_____ Heston helps kids and is the victim of murderous mutants in the spooky The Omega Man :neville:
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_____ both characters are involved in sexual liaisons considered quite risque at the time...
_____ Stephanie Beacham, Brando's love interest, would play Heston's TV wife for a couple of years on The Colbys (1985-87)
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_____ And -- both male characters get murdered in a similar fashion near the end of the films...

1972: Brando's comeback and 2nd Oscar - maybe his best film - The Godfather
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____________________ Heston is in what he feels may be his worst film, a version of The Call of the Wild
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1972-1973: Brando has a Last Tango in Paris; Heston is a Cardinal in Paris in The Three Musketeers (and the sequel) :richelieu:
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1974-1975: Brando disappears from film... ImageImage
__________ Heston has a couple of his biggest hits - Airport 1975 and............................... Earthquake!

1976: Brando's western-The Missouri Breaks; Heston's is The Last Hard Men - both flop
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Brando is a villain - he gets his from Jack Nicholson; Heston is the hero - he gets it from James Coburn :comegetsome:

1977: Brando in aired expanded The Godfather:A Novel For Television, as king of a Mafia family, Don Vito Corleone;
_____ Heston plays King Henry VIII in Crossed Swords, a.k.a. a new version of The Prince and the Pauper.
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_____In both plots, the ruler father figures die of illness, necessitating that the sons abruptly need to take over things...
Ernest Borgnine co-stars in Crossed Swords; he - an Italian - really coveted The Godfather role in '72 but lost it to Brando...

1978: Heston stars in Gray Lady Down, with Christopher Reeve in a small role
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_____ Brando has a small role in Superman, starring Christopher Reeve in the title role
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_____ also, Ned Beatty co-stars in both Films - Gray Lady Down and Superman
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1978-1979: Heston is interviewed in mock fashion on an episode of the TV show America 2-Night;
_____ Brando plays Rockwell of the American Nazi Party, interviewed in Roots:The Next Generations on TV
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1979-1980: Brando is bald in Apocalypse Now and The Formula;
_________ Heston is bearded in The Awakening and The Mountain Men
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Two of the above characters (one from each actor) die violently by the end; the other two stay healthy...

1988-1989: Heston plays a 16th-century lawyer against the king's tyranny in A Man For All Seasons;
__________ Brando plays a lawyer up against the tyranny of Apartheid in A Dry White Season
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1989-1990: Heston plays a Mafia Godfather in the TV Movie Original Sin;
_________ Brando parodies his own Godfather role in The Freshman
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Heston stars in a new version of Treasure Island :ljsilver: the film uses the H.M.S. Bounty from Brando's 1962 film

1992: Heston appears in the unfinished epic Gengis Khan (or, perhaps better - Genghis Khan)
_____ Brando appears in the finished epic Christopher Columbus:The Discovery
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1994: Brando is placed in charge of Johnny Depp to defeat his delusions, in Don Juan DeMarco
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_____ Heston is in charge of Schwarzenegger to defeat real terrorists, in True Lies, and
_____ he's also in charge of Sam Neill In the Mouth of Madness, in which it's not just delusionsImage

1996: Brando is a crazy scientist on a tropical island wilderness in The Island of Dr.Moreau;
_____ Heston is a crazy poacher in the cold snowy wildernesss, in Alaska
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1996-1997: Heston has a small role in Hamlet, directed by actor Kenneth Branagh, who also stars;
__________ Brando has a small role in The Brave, directed by actor Johnny Depp, who also stars
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1998-1999: Brando forces two fools into a shotgun wedding in Free Money; Heston appears in Gideon
_________ and narrates Armageddon, in which Bruce Willis uses a shotgun to stop a wedding
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2001: Brando & De Niro help pro thief Edward Norton with his biggest score in The Score;
_____ Heston helps pro thief Jean-Claude Van Damme with his search for his father in The Order
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2003-2004: Heston caps off his film career as Josef Mengele in My Father Rua Alguem 5555
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_________ Brando films a series of classes teaching star actors called "Lying For a Living" but passes away;
_________ the DVDs are never released; Heston's last film never gets a theatrical release, but is on DVD...
They Never Did a Film Together... Image Fin.

PS: The Richard Donner version of Superman II (1980), with reinserted Brando footage, is released in 2006.
The unfinished Gengis Khan (1992) is finally completed as Genghis Khan:The Story of a Lifetime in 2010...


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 Post subject: Re: Heston vs. Brando - Film Career Comparison
PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 5:53 am 
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Amazing. Just amazing. You sure never do anything half-assed, Chrysagon.

Thanks for the great read!

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 Post subject: Re: Heston vs. Brando - Film Career Comparison
PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 7:50 am 
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Chrysagon thanks for the article, shame there is not even a photo :D


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