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 Post subject: Heston Characters Ranks in His Films
PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 5:43 am 
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Heston might have played a character with the rank of captain more than any other actor. I didn't realize this myself until checking over his credits earlier today. O Captain My Captain! :) But, he played many characters of various ranks, not just captain. Below - in the next post - is the list I compiled, ordered roughly from lowest rank to highest rank; most of these are military ranks and some are higher - rulers of one kind or another. This is confined to his film and TV roles. I don't think there are any other actors with this kind of record of characters with all these ranks.

Here's my count for each type of rank: 10 - Captain roles
__________________________________ 6 - second to the King (Cardinal/High Chancellor/Chief Justice)
__________________________________ 5 - General
__________________________________ 4 - Colonel
__________________________________ 4 - Major
__________________________________ 3 - Prince
__________________________________ 2 - God
__________________________________ 2 - President
__________________________________ 2 - Warlord/The Cid (the Lord)
__________________________________ 2 - Lieutenant
__________________________________ 1 each - King/Admiral/Director

Also, note that he never played a corporal or a sergeant - only the higher officer ranks...


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 Post subject: Re: Heston Characters Ranks in His Films
PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 5:45 am 
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LIST OF HESTON ROLES BY RANK - LOWEST TO HIGHEST:

15.Civilian: all other film roles besides the ones below

14.Lieutenant: The Far Horizons (1955)
___________ Climax "Bailout at 43,000 Feet" (TV-1956)

13.Captain: Three Violent People (1956)
_________ The Wreck of the Mary Deare (1959)
_________ The Pigeon That Took Rome (1962)
_________ Skyjacked (1972)
_________ Airport 1975 (1974)
_________ Midway (1976)
_________ The Last Hard Men (1976) (Rangers)
_________ Two-Minute Warning (1977) (police)
_________ Gray Lady Down (1978)
_________ Crash Landing: The Rescue of Flight 232 (TV-1992)

12.Major: The Private War of Major Benson (1955)
________ Playhouse 90 "Forbidden Area" (TV-1956)
________ 55 Days at Peking (1963)
________ Major Dundee (1965)

11.Colonel: Bad For Each Other (1953)
_________ Planet of the Apes (1968)
_________ Beneath the Planet of the Apes (1970)
_________ The Omega Man (1971)

10.General: Julius Caesar (1950)
___________ The Buccaneer (1958)
___________ Khartoum (1966)
___________ Julius Caesar (1970)
___________ Antony & Cleopatra (1972)

9. Admiral:  Solar Crisis (1990)

8. Football Commissioner: Any Given Sunday (1999)

7. CIA Director (equivalent): True Lies (1994)

6. Warlord (Supreme Commander): The War Lord (1965)
______(like a General of the Army): El Cid (1961)

5. Cardinal/Earl: Elizabeth the Queen (TV-1968)
_____________ The Three Musketeers (1973)
_____________ The Four Musketeers (1974)
High Chancellor/Chief Judge: A Man For All Seasons (TV-1988)
______________________ Outer Limits "Final Appeal" (TV-2000)
___ (future ape equivalent) Planet of the Apes remake (2001)

4. President: The President's Lady (1953)
__________ Hallmark Hall of Fame "The Patriots" (TV-1963)

3. Prince: The Ten Commandments (1956)
________ Ben-Hur (1959)
________ Ben-Hur (video-2003-voice only)

2. King: Crossed Swords (1977)

1. God: The Ten Commandments (1956-voice only)
______ Almost an Angel (1990)


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 Post subject: Re: Heston Characters Ranks in His Films
PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:30 am 
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Chrysagon, good thread mate.

Heston DID play a Corporal in the 325th Gunnery Squadron briefly in LUCY GALLANT, he enlists after Pearl Harbour and serves in Europe. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0vcNQLjPp0
Freeze frame Heston coming out of the door at 52.31 he looks like Harry Steele minus the fedora.

In SECRET OF THE INCAS he is still wearing his WWII pilot's leather jacket, but his bag is a WWI British officer's musette bag .... so he is definetely an ex-serviceman in that movie.

In ARROWHEAD he is Ed Bannon, Captain of the Scouts, and in DARK CITY he mentioned his disillusionment after serving in the war, but I can't remember if his rank is mentioned.

In THE AVENGING ANGEL Heston played Brigham Young, who was President of the Church of Latter Day Saints, and he was also Supreme Leader of the Church of England Henry VIII in THE PRINCE AND THE PAUPER as well as being the only occasion in which he played a King, although in DIAMOND HEAD Heston was 'King' Howland, and in HAMLET he was the 'Player King.'


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 Post subject: Re: Heston Characters Ranks in His Films
PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 7:12 pm 
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Arrrgh... I stand corrected! Heston as a Corporal -- This is indeed the case, as evidenced by this picture grab from Lucy Gallant at 52.37:
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I guess I should have taken another day to finalize that list. As for his Brigham Young role, I was aware of it but was unsure of where to place such an unusual rank on the list (it's certainly not the same as President of the United States); or maybe I was just too tired by that point. ;) His other 'King' roles - one is an actor, the other a rich landowner; so, I think they remain off the list. I'll post the revised list below... thanks, James. :thumbsup:

PS: looks like one of the great mysteries among Heston's roles is what his military rank was before Harry Steele went to South America in Secret of the Incas.
--- Maybe it was a Sergeant...?


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 Post subject: Re: Heston Characters Ranks in His Films
PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 7:32 pm 
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LIST OF HESTON ROLES BY RANK - LOWEST TO HIGHEST: (REVISED)

15.Corporal: Lucy Gallant (1955)

14.Lieutenant: The Far Horizons (1955)
___________ Climax "Bailout at 43,000 Feet" (TV-1956)

13.Captain: Arrowhead (1953) (Scouts)
_________ Three Violent People (1956)
_________ The Wreck of the Mary Deare (1959)
_________ The Pigeon That Took Rome (1962)
_________ Skyjacked (1972)
_________ Airport 1975 (1974)
_________ Midway (1976)
_________ The Last Hard Men (1976) (Rangers)
_________ Two-Minute Warning (1977) (police)
_________ Gray Lady Down (1978)
_________ Crash Landing: The Rescue of Flight 232 (TV-1992)

12.Major: The Private War of Major Benson (1955)
________ Playhouse 90 "Forbidden Area" (TV-1956)
________ 55 Days at Peking (1963)
________ Major Dundee (1965)

11.Colonel: Bad For Each Other (1953)
__________ Planet of the Apes (1968)
__________ Beneath the Planet of the Apes (1970)
__________ The Omega Man (1971)

10.General: Julius Caesar (1950)
___________ The Buccaneer (1958)
___________ Khartoum (1966)
___________ Julius Caesar (1970)
___________ Antony & Cleopatra (1972)

9. Admiral:  Solar Crisis (1990)

8. Football Commissioner: Any Given Sunday (1999)

7. CIA Director (equivalent): True Lies (1994)

6. Warlord (Supreme Commander): The War Lord (1965)
______(like a General of the Army): El Cid (1961)

5. Cardinal/Earl: Elizabeth the Queen (TV-1968)
______________ The Three Musketeers (1973)
______________ The Four Musketeers (1974)
(President of a Church): Avenging Angel (TV-1995)(also Governor later)
High Chancellor/Chief Judge: A Man For All Seasons (TV-1988)
______________________ Outer Limits "Final Appeal" (TV-2000)
___ (future ape equivalent) Planet of the Apes remake (2001)

4. President: The President's Lady (1953)
__________ Hallmark Hall of Fame "The Patriots" (TV-1963)

3. Prince: The Ten Commandments (1956)
_________ Ben-Hur (1959)
_________ Ben-Hur (video-2003-voice only)

2. King: Crossed Swords (1977)
_____ (The Prince and the Pauper)

1. God: The Ten Commandments (1956-voice only)
_______ Almost an Angel (1990)


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 Post subject: Re: Heston Characters Ranks in His Films
PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:28 am 
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Charlton Heston was President of the National Rifle Association in BOWLING FOR COLOMBINE, Chrysagon, one that I forgot when I answered your original post.

ps. Is it possible you could screen grab Heston coming out of the door at 52.31 in LUCY GALLANT for me, please?


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 Post subject: Re: Heston Characters Ranks in His Films
PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:24 am 
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Hmm... the Bowling pic, besides being something I try to avoid, is Heston in real life, not a character, so I think we'll just let that one remain to the side...

I had a wild thought that you may be interested in such screen grabs after I posted the one above.
These are small versions of the youtube version:
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Larger one, though these are not very sharp quality:
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So, here are a few from an Amazon Video version; these are sharper:
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medium sized: Image

And here's one where I tried to 'enhance' it:
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....and a final alternate version:
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As you may realize, the scene begins to fade to a new scene almost immediately as Heston exits through that door,
so there's no way to capture the image without getting a bit of the next scene fading in already.


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 Post subject: Re: Heston Characters Ranks in His Films
PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:33 am 
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Wow! quick reply Chrysagon, thank you very much, mate.

Yes ..... BOWLING FOR COLOMBINE ... the very worst Heston cinematic experience I have ever endured. After seeing that travesty at my local Odeon I wrote several letters to the "Lincolnshire Echo" slamming Moore's methods of 'documentary' filming ... and they published them all, with a bit of feedback.


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 Post subject: Re: Heston Characters Ranks in His Films
PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:45 am 
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James Byrne wrote:
Wow! quick reply Chrysagon, thank you very much, mate.

Yes ..... BOWLING FOR COLOMBINE ... the very worst Heston cinematic experience I have ever endured. After seeing that travesty at my local Odeon I wrote several letters to the "Lincolnshire Echo" slamming Moore's methods of 'documentary' filming ... and they published them all, with a bit of feedback.

I'd love to read the letters and their feedback some day, James!

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 Post subject: Re: Heston Characters Ranks in His Films
PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 12:06 pm 
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I'll post them next week sometime, Thorn.

Chrysagon, here's another one that slipped the net, but it may not qualify due to the fact that the Josef Mengele portrayed by Heston in MY FATHER: RUA ALGUEM 5555 had long since 'retired' from his service as a Captain in the SS-Hauptsturmführer; then again it may qualify, due to the film's flasback's of Mengele at Auschwitz.

In 1949 Heston played a Gunnery Officer in BATTLESHIP BISMARK in a Studio One tv show.

Heston often said in interviews that he was always offered roles that involved heavy responsibility or leadership. So naturally it is no surprise that his character cv has more captains, majors, generals and colonels than any other actor. Apart from the military and religious leaders listed by Chrysagon, Heston also played other roles which required leadership, intelligence and maturity.

Detective - THE CRUCIFER OF BLOOD

Professor - THE ORDER and CAMINO DE SANTIAGO

Plantation owner - RUBY GENTRY,THE NAKED JUNGLE, DIAMOND HEAD, THE HAWAIIANS

Chief Executive Officer - THE COLBY'S

Archaeologist - THE AWAKENING

Conductor - COUNTERPOINT

Foreman - THE BIG COUNTRY

Mafia Godfather - ORIGINAL SIN

Pirate quartermaster - TREASURE ISLAND


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